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		<title>By: DapperQ &#8212; Transgressing Men&#039;s Fashion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ascending and Being Lost and Blooming</title>
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		<dc:creator>DapperQ &#8212; Transgressing Men&#039;s Fashion &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Ascending and Being Lost and Blooming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Jul 2010 15:19:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] you, dear dapperQ’s. I was thinking about how we would collectively work in a six-week, on-line butch meet-up to define our style guide (details [...]</description>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.canihelpyousir.com/?p=1378&#038;cpage=1#comment-1621</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mermaid: Very interesting observations. I agree that in larger groups, we tend to separate into our own little niches. For me personally, I&#039;m not interested in that. I love the diversity amongst my social circles, and I can get along with everyone. But yeah, I think it would be cool to hang out with at least one person who just gets it. Until then, I plan to keep on having fun with my friends.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mermaid: Very interesting observations. I agree that in larger groups, we tend to separate into our own little niches. For me personally, I&#8217;m not interested in that. I love the diversity amongst my social circles, and I can get along with everyone. But yeah, I think it would be cool to hang out with at least one person who just gets it. Until then, I plan to keep on having fun with my friends.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 06 Apr 2010 04:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dapper: I think community is important no matter how it happens. Since I came out, I&#039;ve always made it a point to surround myself with supportive friends. I&#039;m grateful for my online peers in particular during this chapter of my life while my in-person butch community is lacking a bit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dapper: I think community is important no matter how it happens. Since I came out, I&#8217;ve always made it a point to surround myself with supportive friends. I&#8217;m grateful for my online peers in particular during this chapter of my life while my in-person butch community is lacking a bit.</p>
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		<title>By: Surly Mermaid</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surly Mermaid</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Apr 2010 21:05:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s taken me a while to work out how i want to say this without sounding like a dork... i guess... i live in a tiny country at the bottom of the world.  growing up as a baby dyke (didn&#039;t come out as a femme till much later) i wanted to move to london, san francisco, new york or los angeles because i imagined this was where all the queer women were. i went to university in the 4th biggest city in the country (still with only 200,000 people, laugh it up, i know).  I now live in the capital, the 2nd biggest city (still only 400,000, laugh it up even more).  in between i also had a two year stint in london.

i can say with my hand on my heart that i&#039;ve never felt isolated either in my university town or where i live now.   i used to think that if i&#039;d lived in an even smaller town in my country, i&#039;d feel lonely, and would crave queer company.  that i would be alone.  i read this posts and all the comments, and it makes me think - wow - the city i live in is probably what you guys in &quot;the real world&quot; (hahaha) would class as a small town, compared to yours.  

i guess the difference (from what i can gather) is that because there were such a small number of queer identified people where i lived - we all banded together.  when we were at university, we couldn&#039;t be choosy about women&#039;s only spaces, or femme only coffee mornings, or leather nights, or bisexual knitting circles or whatever.  the university community mixed with the wider queer community - age, race, income level.  if we&#039;d stratified our community, we&#039;d have diminshed it to a whole range of small groups that would&#039;ve been harder to sustain.  i guess this is where i&#039;d put the analogy about snapping a twig vs snapping a tightly bound bunch of twigs.  

it was totally different in london.  i lived with my really rich girlfriend, it totally blew my mind.  all her friends were homogenous.  white.  rich.  well educated.  femme or safely soft butch who could pass at work if they wanted. vanilla.  (ha!)  i begged her to take me to a queer space other than the members only lesbian bar she went to, but it was always no - that&#039;s full of men, or no, chavs go there, or no, that&#039;s not in a safe part of town.  i lived in a huge city, bustling full of queers of every flavour - the mecca i&#039;d sought as a kid - and i felt alone, removed. 

where i live now is more akin to my university town.  there&#039;s two queer bars  - one&#039;s a nightclub, one&#039;s a bar.  the town can&#039;t sustain a women&#039;s only bar, a leather bar (i wish) a twinks nightclub, an expensive cocktail haven for femmes in heels, a booze barn with cheap beer for queer students, an alcohol-free coffee house etc etc,  if these all opened, we&#039;d lose them all in 6 months as they&#039;d go under.  

i&#039;m not saying that we don&#039;t have an intrinsic need to share our life experiences with people who share the same life experiences as you do.  that&#039;s entirely legitimate.  obviously.  i&#039;m a girlie femme, i really only have queer friends, even in this small town.  my friends include hyper cool yet broke androgyne artists.  anarchafeminst radicals that fight for indigenous rights.  my oldest and dearest friend started t last year and now identifies as male.  i like butches. they&#039;re also my friends.  our community is so small that we get to be friends first without being lovers. we try to have sub-nuclear breakups as we&#039;ll be seeing that person for the next ten years in the street.  

maybe i&#039;ve lost the point here somewhere in this comment.  i&#039;m sorry.  perhaps what i mean to say is that i&#039;m lucky as i&#039;ve had no choice about whether i engage with only people who are JUST LIKE ME, or with a wide range.  i guess growing up, staring at my atlas of san fran etc, i never thought i&#039;d be at my computer 25 years later, not believing my good fortune.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s taken me a while to work out how i want to say this without sounding like a dork&#8230; i guess&#8230; i live in a tiny country at the bottom of the world.  growing up as a baby dyke (didn&#8217;t come out as a femme till much later) i wanted to move to london, san francisco, new york or los angeles because i imagined this was where all the queer women were. i went to university in the 4th biggest city in the country (still with only 200,000 people, laugh it up, i know).  I now live in the capital, the 2nd biggest city (still only 400,000, laugh it up even more).  in between i also had a two year stint in london.</p>
<p>i can say with my hand on my heart that i&#8217;ve never felt isolated either in my university town or where i live now.   i used to think that if i&#8217;d lived in an even smaller town in my country, i&#8217;d feel lonely, and would crave queer company.  that i would be alone.  i read this posts and all the comments, and it makes me think &#8211; wow &#8211; the city i live in is probably what you guys in &#8220;the real world&#8221; (hahaha) would class as a small town, compared to yours.  </p>
<p>i guess the difference (from what i can gather) is that because there were such a small number of queer identified people where i lived &#8211; we all banded together.  when we were at university, we couldn&#8217;t be choosy about women&#8217;s only spaces, or femme only coffee mornings, or leather nights, or bisexual knitting circles or whatever.  the university community mixed with the wider queer community &#8211; age, race, income level.  if we&#8217;d stratified our community, we&#8217;d have diminshed it to a whole range of small groups that would&#8217;ve been harder to sustain.  i guess this is where i&#8217;d put the analogy about snapping a twig vs snapping a tightly bound bunch of twigs.  </p>
<p>it was totally different in london.  i lived with my really rich girlfriend, it totally blew my mind.  all her friends were homogenous.  white.  rich.  well educated.  femme or safely soft butch who could pass at work if they wanted. vanilla.  (ha!)  i begged her to take me to a queer space other than the members only lesbian bar she went to, but it was always no &#8211; that&#8217;s full of men, or no, chavs go there, or no, that&#8217;s not in a safe part of town.  i lived in a huge city, bustling full of queers of every flavour &#8211; the mecca i&#8217;d sought as a kid &#8211; and i felt alone, removed. </p>
<p>where i live now is more akin to my university town.  there&#8217;s two queer bars  &#8211; one&#8217;s a nightclub, one&#8217;s a bar.  the town can&#8217;t sustain a women&#8217;s only bar, a leather bar (i wish) a twinks nightclub, an expensive cocktail haven for femmes in heels, a booze barn with cheap beer for queer students, an alcohol-free coffee house etc etc,  if these all opened, we&#8217;d lose them all in 6 months as they&#8217;d go under.  </p>
<p>i&#8217;m not saying that we don&#8217;t have an intrinsic need to share our life experiences with people who share the same life experiences as you do.  that&#8217;s entirely legitimate.  obviously.  i&#8217;m a girlie femme, i really only have queer friends, even in this small town.  my friends include hyper cool yet broke androgyne artists.  anarchafeminst radicals that fight for indigenous rights.  my oldest and dearest friend started t last year and now identifies as male.  i like butches. they&#8217;re also my friends.  our community is so small that we get to be friends first without being lovers. we try to have sub-nuclear breakups as we&#8217;ll be seeing that person for the next ten years in the street.  </p>
<p>maybe i&#8217;ve lost the point here somewhere in this comment.  i&#8217;m sorry.  perhaps what i mean to say is that i&#8217;m lucky as i&#8217;ve had no choice about whether i engage with only people who are JUST LIKE ME, or with a wide range.  i guess growing up, staring at my atlas of san fran etc, i never thought i&#8217;d be at my computer 25 years later, not believing my good fortune.</p>
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		<title>By: dapperq</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 02 Apr 2010 13:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve been really amazed and moved by this back and forth.  Congrats on striking such a nerve.  Living in NYC, I&#039;ve never lacked for community options -- but it has only been in the last couple of years that I have purposefully work to surround myself with butch friends (who have so healed me!)  

I started dapperQ because fashion seems like something we can bond around (and the politics of age, gender identification, etc.) seem to separate us.  Going to be launching a free on-line course for 20 of us who want to explore dapperQ fashion 101 and create a framework for others.  It&#039;s not BBQ in the park but definitely a butch meet-up.  Hope you will check dapperQ.com or friend dapperQ so I can keep you my new and growing virtual community posted?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve been really amazed and moved by this back and forth.  Congrats on striking such a nerve.  Living in NYC, I&#8217;ve never lacked for community options &#8212; but it has only been in the last couple of years that I have purposefully work to surround myself with butch friends (who have so healed me!)  </p>
<p>I started dapperQ because fashion seems like something we can bond around (and the politics of age, gender identification, etc.) seem to separate us.  Going to be launching a free on-line course for 20 of us who want to explore dapperQ fashion 101 and create a framework for others.  It&#8217;s not BBQ in the park but definitely a butch meet-up.  Hope you will check dapperQ.com or friend dapperQ so I can keep you my new and growing virtual community posted?</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.canihelpyousir.com/?p=1378&#038;cpage=1#comment-1597</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Mar 2010 04:12:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kathrin: The salsa community sounds great! I&#039;d love it if I had something like that here. 

And don&#039;t worry about not blogging ... the motivation for content ebbs and flows. There are times when I feel like I should have SO MUCH to talk about, given my personal life. It will come to you when it&#039;s ready.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kathrin: The salsa community sounds great! I&#8217;d love it if I had something like that here. </p>
<p>And don&#8217;t worry about not blogging &#8230; the motivation for content ebbs and flows. There are times when I feel like I should have SO MUCH to talk about, given my personal life. It will come to you when it&#8217;s ready.</p>
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		<title>By: Kathrin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kathrin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 15:10:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t have many queer friends. I can probably count them on one hand. I rarely ever feel a part of the community here.....and the butch/femme community here is relatively non-existant! 

I am also fairly entrenched with the local salsa community. There are three of us queer chicks (that I know of) who are active - social dancing, classes, performances, traveling for events, etc., so I dance with guys 99% of the time. Phila has a few gay tango and 2stepping classes, but that really isn&#039;t my thing. 

I really need to get back to blogging. While my recent breakup has created a lot of potential content, I haven&#039;t felt very inclined to blog. Odd, no? 

Anyway...as always, great post!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t have many queer friends. I can probably count them on one hand. I rarely ever feel a part of the community here&#8230;..and the butch/femme community here is relatively non-existant! </p>
<p>I am also fairly entrenched with the local salsa community. There are three of us queer chicks (that I know of) who are active &#8211; social dancing, classes, performances, traveling for events, etc., so I dance with guys 99% of the time. Phila has a few gay tango and 2stepping classes, but that really isn&#8217;t my thing. </p>
<p>I really need to get back to blogging. While my recent breakup has created a lot of potential content, I haven&#8217;t felt very inclined to blog. Odd, no? </p>
<p>Anyway&#8230;as always, great post!</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feisty: I think we all feel that way to an extent, that we&#039;d like to make more connections in person. And as you said, that can be tricky to navigate. Thank goodness for my online friends, who are there for me no matter what kind of difficulty I may have finding like-minded people where I live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feisty: I think we all feel that way to an extent, that we&#8217;d like to make more connections in person. And as you said, that can be tricky to navigate. Thank goodness for my online friends, who are there for me no matter what kind of difficulty I may have finding like-minded people where I live.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:50:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Making Space: That&#039;s really interesting. It&#039;s nice to know there is a way to meet people who have something in common with us, no matter what that is. That thought is comforting to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Making Space: That&#8217;s really interesting. It&#8217;s nice to know there is a way to meet people who have something in common with us, no matter what that is. That thought is comforting to me.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:48:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jude: You are going to Gayville? Please let me know when, and I&#039;ll move there, too. Then it will be even MORE gay.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jude: You are going to Gayville? Please let me know when, and I&#8217;ll move there, too. Then it will be even MORE gay.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DK: I agree completely. Those real-life connections are imperative. In the meantime, I&#039;ll just keep developing my online community and planning ways to meet all my amazing blogpeeps.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DK: I agree completely. Those real-life connections are imperative. In the meantime, I&#8217;ll just keep developing my online community and planning ways to meet all my amazing blogpeeps.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:46:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Aneke: I don&#039;t think you&#039;re doing anything wrong. That is just a tricky line to walk, no matter what. Sometimes finding a good friend is much harder than finding a date!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Aneke: I don&#8217;t think you&#8217;re doing anything wrong. That is just a tricky line to walk, no matter what. Sometimes finding a good friend is much harder than finding a date!</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:45:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Alpha: I think community in real life is just as important, and I&#039;m so glad you&#039;re finding it. It&#039;s tough to connect with people, no matter where it is. But I&#039;m sure glad I found your voice among the masses!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Alpha: I think community in real life is just as important, and I&#8217;m so glad you&#8217;re finding it. It&#8217;s tough to connect with people, no matter where it is. But I&#8217;m sure glad I found your voice among the masses!</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.canihelpyousir.com/?p=1378&#038;cpage=1#comment-1578</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:44:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Camlin: I feel the exact same way some days. It&#039;s nice to know some people have my back when I need it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Camlin: I feel the exact same way some days. It&#8217;s nice to know some people have my back when I need it.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.canihelpyousir.com/?p=1378&#038;cpage=1#comment-1577</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:43:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jude: Beer &lt;em&gt;always&lt;/em&gt; helps. And just think, without this community, I wouldn&#039;t have found my long-lost brother!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jude: Beer <em>always</em> helps. And just think, without this community, I wouldn&#8217;t have found my long-lost brother!</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.canihelpyousir.com/?p=1378&#038;cpage=1#comment-1576</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:42:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Laura Lee: Those moments of connection are amazing. I certainly don&#039;t take them for granted. And score! Rays of sun in the NW are heavenly.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Laura Lee: Those moments of connection are amazing. I certainly don&#8217;t take them for granted. And score! Rays of sun in the NW are heavenly.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.canihelpyousir.com/?p=1378&#038;cpage=1#comment-1575</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Holden: Isn&#039;t that interesting? I&#039;ve thought about that too, about how some people I&#039;ve never met know more about the authentic me than some people who have called themselves my friends and family for years. But I too really appreciate the interaction and education I get from this great community, including you and your wonderful wife. Thanks.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Holden: Isn&#8217;t that interesting? I&#8217;ve thought about that too, about how some people I&#8217;ve never met know more about the authentic me than some people who have called themselves my friends and family for years. But I too really appreciate the interaction and education I get from this great community, including you and your wonderful wife. Thanks.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
		<link>http://www.canihelpyousir.com/?p=1378&#038;cpage=1#comment-1574</link>
		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:39:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>LB: That&#039;s exactly what I&#039;d like to have - more who understand where I&#039;m coming from, whether that&#039;s another butch/boi or a femme who loves the butches/bois. Either way, it&#039;s nice to feel understood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LB: That&#8217;s exactly what I&#8217;d like to have &#8211; more who understand where I&#8217;m coming from, whether that&#8217;s another butch/boi or a femme who loves the butches/bois. Either way, it&#8217;s nice to feel understood.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:37:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Beautiful: I know what you mean. Sometimes it&#039;s just nice to be around people who get it. I love my group of friends, and I&#039;m very comfortable with them. They&#039;re still all very straight, and sometimes that just feels a little lacking. Thank goodness for friends like you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Beautiful: I know what you mean. Sometimes it&#8217;s just nice to be around people who get it. I love my group of friends, and I&#8217;m very comfortable with them. They&#8217;re still all very straight, and sometimes that just feels a little lacking. Thank goodness for friends like you.</p>
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		<title>By: G</title>
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		<dc:creator>G</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 04:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bee: Being able to interact with my online folks just saves me some days. Talking with people like you help make up for the fact that I just don&#039;t interact with many like us on a daily basis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bee: Being able to interact with my online folks just saves me some days. Talking with people like you help make up for the fact that I just don&#8217;t interact with many like us on a daily basis.</p>
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